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Seems a little slow on the board right now, so thought this would be a good thing to beat around. Anyone done any research on more fuel-efficient tow vehicles? I think we will see a little relief on gas, but I don't think we are going to see the $2.00 stuff ever again.
 
Got gas for $3.89 on the way home from pre-fishing for a tournament Friday. My 2004 3/4 ton Silverado, 6.0 and 4.10 rears will be paid off in April. It only gets used to pull the boat. I take good care of my machinery (I've got a jeep Wrangler with 265,000 on it). I bought the truck to pull the boat and not break down and that is exactly what it has done....in fine fashon. I don't like problems, that's why I went with overkill on the truck and I'm glad I did. Besides, with trade in values so low, it would take me a very long time to make up the $$ for a new truck, which might break down because I'm using it as a tow vehicle. I'm a firm believer that if you don't have any major problems by around 50,000 miles, you ain't gonna!!:lol: My truck is a true cowboy caddy. It has every option made in 2004 pluse a BOSE system XM, On-Star, leather, yada, yada. Man I love drivin that rig!!:p



TOXIC
 
I have been doing a lot of research of the Chevy Taho Hybrid's. They are very impressive. The state 22-25mpg but the mechanics I talked to said that nationally they are getting closer to 30mpg. Plus, not lack of power. Once you get past the intial price!!

I might be going this route to lessen the gas pain
 
My 2004 FISO is paid off and is an absolutely fine vehicle. While I have not taken the time to do the precise math, any suitable replacement would most likely cost me more to buy than I would save on $4 gas



Very strange that Cheby would state 22-25 mpg when nationwide folks are getting 30 mpg; that is not very good marketing.



Status quo for me.
 
Nope, i have no intent to downsize my tow rig. I drive a 1500 Chevy 4wd with a 5.3 and it does just fine on fuel. In reality the milage i get isnt all that much different then any of the current crop of mid sized trucks unloaded. Its within 1-2 mpg different so its not worth it, the Nissan frontier actually would be worse then my current truck. So for me downsizing will mean the same fuel bill with less power and comfort, and a possible bigger fuel bill towing since its working harder.



If i had a long commute my thought process might change but i think that would mean a cheap car that gets great fuel milage for commute and a truck for towing. I ride public transport to work and i only drive ~10 miles a day round trip to the train station so the cost of gas doesnt hit me that bad. Although the 300 a month for my train pass isnt cheap its still way cheaper then driving into Boston after tolls and parking alone never mind the fuel.
 
I'm like TOX, I have a 97' Jeep Cherokee w/ inline 6. It only gets 15mpg, but it runs perfect and I have the pink slip. I would like a full size rig, I wouldn't lose anything on gas mileage, but would pick up a payment book. So for the time being, I'll stick to my Jeep. I got 300,000 from my last Jeep and just went over 200,000 on my Toyota Truck. It's pays to change that oil and do a little preventive maintenance.



JP
 
I haven't heard of anybody getting 30 MPG yet but, I am hearing up to 25 MPG on most new RCSB and about 23 on ECSB's....at least that's what my GM dealer bud is sayin'.

Our 04 Sierra is still seein' 22 MPG on the highway unloaded;)

I think GM with their engineering could tick 40 MPG in a few years...they've always been king when it comes to FS MPG:cool:
 
Not a chance of downsizing mine. I drive a paid for 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500, with a 4.3 6 cyl. and only 55,000 miles. It gets 16 mpg's city and 22 mpg's highway. Towing my boat it gets somewhere in-between. I do routine maintanence and religuosly change oil @ 5,000 miles. Knock on wood, no major repairs necessary thus far. Front brakes are more frequently needed because of towing but, I expect that with any tow vehicle.

I told my wife I'll drive that truck until I can no longer justify repairs to keep her going. The cost of any new vehicle today doesn't seem to me, to be financialy sound to save a few bucks on fuel costs (even at $4.00 per gal.).
 
I've pretty much decided on a hoopty that gets at least 30 MPG...at least for the wife to drive back and forth to work. I'm only about 6 miles away from my job.
 
I still have my 2002 Ford F-150 Super Crew and it's paid off. I have only 45,000 miles and I plan on keeping it for at least another 4 years until I retire. Then who knows. I get 17-18 mpg on the highway and around 13-14 mpg in the City. On a recent trip in May from Lafayette, La. to Port Canaveral Fla. and back she averaged 16.9 mpg crusing at 75 mph. I can't complian. She's fully loaded. I even purchased a toneau cover for the bed which was my best investment.

Barry from La.:)
 
No way I'm downsizing either. Just days before gas starting going over 3 bucks, I traded my 6 cylinder Jeep for a big V-8 Chevy Silverado. On the bright side however, the 5.3 V-8 with the Active Fuel Management gets within a mile or two per gallon that the Jeep 6 cylinder did. My usual routine of 20 miles of freeway combined with putting around in additions under construction nets me anywhere from 15.3 to 16.6 depending on how much E-10 I might have picked up along the way. Towing the boat, if I take it easy and keep it under 70 or even better under 60, I get 13 or so. I don't know how I could do any better and still have a vehicle that can pull my 591. I looked into smaller trucks like the Toyota Tacoma and Nissan Frontier and they don't get any better gas mileage then my Silverado.



I have to say that now, knowing what gas prices have gone to and may still rise to I would probably hang on the the old tin Tracker and the paid off Jeep.
 
Harpo,

Its amazing that todays mid sized v6 trucks dont do any better then a full size Chevy with v8 isnt it? My last v6 midsized was a GM with a 4.3l and it did get better gas milage then what do now and is better then any current mid sized v6 truck and the I5 colorado for fuel milage. That 4.3l didnt hurt for power either(my opinion GM should put that motor in the colorado). That was over 8 years ago that i owned that truck, why arent the current v6's better?



I had a guy at the gas station that was driving a new Tacoma ask me the other day how i could afford to feed my truck wit hthe gas prices the way they are. When i told him what kind of milage i get from mine he was floored and said it was better then what his does.



GM has for whatever reason really has been better on gas then just about every other truck out there for a while now. My last truck was a small Dodge with a small v8 and that truck was lucky to get 11 city and 15 on the freeway unloaded, my Chevy gets 15/20. Towing my boat with it and it dipped below 10. That truck had a small v8(4.7l) and it just drank the gas compated to my Silverado that has a 5.3l HO motor that has bucketloads more power then my Dodge ever did. I see the tangable difference when i tow the boat to NH, i always fill up as the same station and the Dodge would cook ~14 gallons of fuel to make that drive of about 130 miles. The chevy uses about 8 on the same drive. I can make it there and back on a tank easily in the Chevy with fuel to spare if i want to( i like to fill it up there because gas is always cheaper), the Dodge there was no way. Both trucks have the same sized 26 gallon tank.



 
I am staying with the Durango unless someone can prove the additional worth. The Durango seats 7, tows up to 8900lbs with ease, and stops it, and gets 22 on the highway with the Hemi! I get a ususal 18.4 with city and towing included! I love it. I am quite interested in the Chevy's with their mileage I am hearing. But to drive from Chicago to Louisville with four and a full load in the back and still have 3/8 tank of gas left impressed me!



Still don't want that extra bill though so nothing on the near horizon.



Randy!
 
I am not downsizing my truck 2004 duramax. I still think diesel is a better option when comparing 3/4 ton to 3/4 ton. Mines paid for also, and i can aqueak 12-14 mpg towing my rig.



I am however considering getting another daily driver, instead of the truck. I get appro 18-19 driving into work, my wifes car get over 30mpg every tank.
 
I'm staying big. F250 Diesel. I get about 17 with the Tundra and camper on the back and climbs the hills with the load like a monkey after the last banana in the tree.

fatrap
 
Well, until I'm towing something again I guess I'm ok with what I have. My Ford F-150 with the 4.9 six is paid for and would pull my house down the road if asked to.:huh: I don't know the exact mileage but when I boat it and noticed two gas tanks I said "Yiippee", I can go forever now without stopping for gas. BZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz, it take me long to realize just WHY they put two tanks in.:(:eek::p

I haven't towed anything yet with the Tundra I bought but without towing and in overdrive it seems to be getting around 21mpg. I'd like to get better mpg but just can't drive a car.. I'm a truck guy I guess.:rolleyes:

Interestingly, I read an article the other day about MiniVans being the 'overlooked' vehicles in these costly gas days. They state that most MiniVans get better mileage than SUV's and also have more interior room at the same time. The article did not bring up towing though but I did see a Plymouth MiniVan pulling a Chapparell<sp> pleasure boat the other day that appeared to be over 20' and it wasn't tilted from tongue weight and seemed to be doing great. I was behind it on the road and it's acceleration from the three or four red lights that cost was even with the traffic around it. I'd like to find something out about their towing ability.

I am NOT trying to start a war here but the ARTICLE, NOT ME, mentioned that GM and Ford (I think) were hastening work on getting even better mileage out of their MiniVans so they could catch up to Toyota which has stressed it's MiniVan mpg for a long time.



Uncle Billy
 
Did a little math. Interesting.



mpg Cost per gallon

500 5,000 10,000 15,000



16 $4.00 $125.00 $1,250.00 $2,500.00 $3,750.00

18 $4.00 $111.11 $1,111.11 $2,222.22 $3,333.33

20 $4.00 $100.00 $1,000.00 $2,000.00 $3,000.00

22 $4.00 $90.91 $909.09 $1,818.18 $2,727.27

24 $4.00 $83.33 $833.33 $1,666.67 $2,500.00

26 $4.00 $76.92 $769.23 $1,538.46 $2,307.69

28 $4.00 $71.43 $714.29 $1,428.57 $2,142.86

30 $4.00 $66.67 $666.67 $1,333.33 $2,000.00



Assuming that you had something that was at least 50% paid off, you would have to really drive a lot of miles and get really good gas mileage, to make the purchase of a new vehicle worth while.



For us, I have a paid for SUV that get's about 17-18. I also have a used truck (that I owe $10K on), that get's about 19.



If I buy something new that get's 24 or 26 (thinking realistic here), the payoff in gas savings just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Assuming you had something that got 16, and bought something that get's 30, you only save $1,750.00 for 15,000 (figure that is generally used for a years mileage). That's about $150.00 per month saved. How much is that new car note. . . .



Now, if it is 'time' to get a new vehicle (regardless of gas prices), that's a different story.



Tex (sticking with what I have).



Sorry, spacing didn't workout once posted on the 'chart numbers'. :blink:

 
I've been saving my pennies over here, well I guess technicaly saving my Mao (which is 1/10 of a Yuan, Yuan in a chinese dollar)... And i'm going V8 tow vehicle! As Jim said the mileage difference these days between V6 and V8 is slim to none. I looked at the Mid sized (Colorado, SporTrak, Dakota....) and barely any difference unless you expect to be driving 30k miles a year. Now i'm still leaning heavily to a 2005/2006 Dodge Magnum Hemi 5.7 v8, man I love station wagons!



Trep
 
I agree with that statement Tex. The math is interesting, but 1 fact we all forget, we are boat owners, 1 of the most expensive hobbies around. So be careful with all that math or we all might sell our boats, once we realize how much we could save.

:D



 
Bill - Its not Tex, its the COOOOOLD beer by the pool doing that od your head!!



Man, i'm lonely in Shanghai, wish I could grab a rod, and then a beer with you and Nancy afterwords. I'll never for get that day/evening fishing and at the house. Glad to "see" so active, we are gonna fish sooner or later together again my friend!



"Them Bass Loves' them Sparkles"!!!!
 
At 6'3", 325lbs. I really can't "downsize" anything for towing and stay inside driving. LOL! My '02 Silverado HD CC does a great job towing the boats and lets me do it comfortably. She just hit 55K so I reckon I'll keep her for a while until the "new" wears off. With the performance mods made, it's a decent daily driver at 15-16 city and a strong 18 hwy. I drop back to city stats on the highway with a larger tag-a-long. I'm really thinking of adding an '09 Tahoe Hybrid to the corral. I'd like to see how the initial model does before doing so. My '01 Tahoe was nice, but was underpowered stock (327) pulling a 9 series. After a couple grand it was markedly improved, but still not in comparison to a big block on a truck chassis.
 
Dude...an 02 with 55k?????:eek: What, do you only drive it on Sunday to church??:lol::lol: My 04 has 65k. What mods have you done and would you do them again? I am at the point where my truck is broken in enough to consider fabbing a little. I just put on new Michelin LTX's:wub: and man did they make a difference. I've thought about a cold air intake, I already have the oversized stainless exhaust and I am not real comfortable with a chip....I am of the mindset that I replace OEM equipment when it breaks or wears out with better than OEM parts.



TOXIC
 
Yeah, I know...I don't drive nearly as much as I used to. Living on an outstanding lake makes it easy to stay close to home. I trailer to Hartwell (30 min.) to break up things on occasion and down to Bienville, FL for cooler weather fishing. A couple times a week I pick up the boys from school and that's about it. Anymore when I travel it's usually by air or riding shotgun in Momma's van.



I've had very good luck with Hypertech tuners, on this one and trucks past. You can fine tune the progamming (shift points, tire size, etc.) and add upgrade specs. This is my first time using the K&N intake in addition to their wick filter and I'm pleased with the results. Vividly quicker airflow. Dropping to a recomended 180 deg. thermostat eliminated any detonation concerns and in conjunction with the forced air and high octane fuel give a very cool burn. (And an AWESOME mpg improvement!) The Delco plat. plugs from the factory are the best and I never replace them. (IMHO) Header back exhaust (3") is the best upgrade you can give your truck. (dual cat.'s, dual mufflers) It needs to breathe in and exhaust out freely. I had a set of Gibson muffs put on after purchase, then went back to Flowmasters. The Gibsons started showing rust fast and just didn't have the throat that the FM's have. As soon as possible, get that Dex-Cool garbage out of your cooling system. That stuff is some nasty, gasket-eating junk that is causing havoc with many engines. Your dealer should have the bulletins related. Flush and refill with a quality 50/50 mix, checked and changed frequently. Since the first oil change, I run Mobil 1 full syn. in the crankcase and never have a regret.



It sounds like a lot of mods, but it's really not. All are easily done in the garage. (A good muffler shop can do the exhaust welding.) I think it's a couple grand well spent.
 
Dex-Cool is that bad huh? I heard that it will gel if it gets air in the system, other than that it supposedly has performed well but I also know of a lot of guys that switch over. You said the t-stat was to eliminate detonation with high octane fuel....does that mean you are not burning 87 octane? Is there really a savings there? I have run Mobil 1 since the first oil change. It is part of my sponsorship package from the Chevy dealer, it's easier to swallow the cost when it's free:lol: I have a K&N in the jeep (it's had it since 30k it now has 265k) but I also read that too many emmissions equipment was getting fouled on late models by the filter oil. I assume most of that is from over oiling the filter though. Dual exhaust might be in my future but until the OEM takes a dump, I'm running it!! I like the rumble as much as the next guy but I do not like it too loud. To give you an example, in all my hot rods in my younger days, I ran headers and Thrush pipes. I never found an exhaust sound I liked better:lol:. I dunno about a chip...too many horror stories about guys cooking their motors and/or trannies with them. But I'm sure they set the tuner to max performance and get addicted to the power boost. I'm such a scardey cat!!:p



TOXIC
 
Like Dan, I don't drive enough miles these days to worry about the MPG very much. My Sport Trac gets about 18 around town, and 21 on the highway. It can handle 5000 pound tow chores easily enough, and my tin can Fisher doesn't slow it down much. If anything, I'd go for a bigger tow vehicle. The hybrid Tahoe is nice, but the $$$...wow.



Trep, have you seen the Chrysler $2.99/gallon gas for three years deal? The Magnum qualifies.
 
Rich - Yeah I saw the $2.99/Gallon. But the difference between a heavily discounted $40k 2008 Magnum and a low mileage 2005 Magnum is too easy money. I have been looking online and when I was back in the US at a 2005-2006 with the tow package and between 25-40k miles for $15-17k vs. a good deal on a new one would be a hair under $30k, almost double what a 3 yearold one is. I'd have to drive 50k+ miles a year to eat up the difference!! LOL And looks like when I move back, i'll be only using the Magnum for towing to the lake and going to the airport every few weeks.
 
Didn't realize they were that pricey. You're right: A clean used one is a good idea.
 
Dex-Cool was just a good idea gone bad. The feature/benefit of the product was outstanding, until real-world trials. Something in it is eating the fiber-backed gasket materials in several engines. Numerous vehicles have had head problems and worse, with many techs (and now lawyers) pointing to the Dex-Cool as the culprit. When I first heard of the possibility, I added a flush tee and purged the system, replacing with tried and true Prestone in a 50/50 mix. No problems either way, thus far.



The thermostat replacement was in conjunction with the forced air intake and Hi-Perf settings on the Hypertech. (It's not a chip. It's a simplified DDT that plugs into the master harness under the dash by the emergency brake. It allows the user to add enhanced programming and power tuning settings to the CDU and alter factory settings to mod specs. It does not remove or wipe out the factory settings. It is just an override and will reset to factory specs as a default if necessary. Very simple plug-n-play.) The Hi-Perf power tuning setting is the only one requiring the higher octane and cooler operating temps. Switching back and forth between 87 and 92 octane settings with the mods, I've found a 1.7-1.8 mpg difference. It doesn't sound like much, but I sure do like the way the intake and exhaust manifolds look under the cooler temp. higher octane in comparison to the increased carbon deposits without. The hills in N. GA are a great place to see the benefit of the power tuning. I haven't heard much negative feedback on the Hypertechs in our 6.0L configurations and if there is a problem, they guarantee that their unit does not void any warranty. My dealer confirmed, and added the obligatory,"But if it is their fault...." LOL!



You definitely do not want to over oil the filter on a recharge. Every 6 mos. or so I run mine (and the wife's) through the top rack of the dishwasher, dry thoroughly and apply the new oil to the wick. I try to maintain a continuous bead down each pleat to even the saturation. After a good coat on each side, I let it set on a newspaper or paper towels for at least 24 hrs. in a warm setting. After that, I wipe off any residual oil and re-install. It would really take a good amount of added oil to make it down the intake (look at the uphill route it has to take), but I could see a freshly wet filter getting installed and high RPM's sucking it into the throat, getting things a little nasty. It is possible, but I think it takes a good bit of disregard to form a situation with it.



I also do not like a loud exhasut for the sake of being loud. (I do, however, LOVE those 4", 3ft. long chrome tips out the back!!) I've had my open-header and straight-pipe days and am glad to see them behind me. That was one of the things about the Gibson exhaust I didn't like. (It was a freebie, so I can't complain much.) They were independant mufflers and smaller than I expected (the size of Cherry Bombs), resulting in a tinny, clacking sound and no depth. They provided the 14 pound backflow pressure necessary, but little else. Soon as I saw the rust appear at the seams, they were gone. The correct* Flowmaster muffler for our trucks is a large single unit (got the model # somewhere here) with dual inlets/outlets and is an immense improvement. (*If you go to a muffler shop, many will try to put on whatever unit is in stock that says Flowmaster. Most customers won't know the difference as long as it "sounds" better. They are not all alike! Not just baffling and dimensionally, but backflow and EGR rating for a partcular engine. A wrong muffler can eat up O2 sensors and mass airflow sensors. Make sure the muffler is the recomended one by the mfr., not the guy holding the torch.) After having the FM's on so many trucks, I thought I would try the Gibson's. I will stay with the proven from now on. "If it ain't broke..."



You might want to see if someone in your 'hood has a Hypertech that you can try. They are specific y
 
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