Shame on the UAW

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Saw that on the news last night. Guess I just don't understand that line of "logic".



Craig
 
Kind of shows you how supportive the unions are of our troops.

The support only goes if you bow to their way of thinking.



They forget who gave them the privlage of having a union in the lst place.



We have a simular deal going on here in La Crosse, Wis.



In 1946 a field and stadium were dedicated as a memorial to all Veterans. Memorial Field was sold to UWL back some years ago for $1.oo.



Now the Chanchlor has changed the name to Haring Field, in honor of a foot ball coach. According to the chanchlor, he means more than all the Veterans that have died giving him the right to be the ruler of a school . We are trying to fight it in court, but no state judge is going to rule against the state if he wants to keep his job. The state attorney general is their counsel. We will keep fighting no matter what and I think they should against the union there to. Put the word out to the public that to buy local union goods is a vote against our troops.



God Bless Our Troops

Semper Fi



 
Well, I gotta side with the UAW on this one. They own the lot, they can let whomever they choose use it. I know in STL, it was a bad idea to drive a foreign car to work at the Chrysler plant.



I personally do not like unions, but any property owner has the right to do with his/her property as they wish. Since driving an import and/or supporting Bush is completely opposite of the beliefs of that union, it seems to be a slap in the face to bring those on their property. I doubt the military base would much appreciate a "Stop the war in Iraq" bumper sticker on their lot.



Suddenly, it matters only because the people being denied are veterans. That's not right. I think we've gone WAY too far in this belief that veterans are owed something everywhere they go. This is no different than police believing they should eat free wherever they go. They are citizens performing a job for which they are compensated. It is not up to the public to compensate them further. Our tax dollars fund their compensation. Now, if you CHOOSE to compensate them further, that's your right. But it's not your right to tell someone else to.



Of course, you have to remember that I'm against ANYONE telling anyone else how or where to spend their money.



This isn't anti-military, it's pro-union. They are only protecting their own interests, ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
 
Well, I have never really understood the Union mentality to begin with. Repect their right to have and join a union, just not sure of the 'logic'.



My guess is that this will blow up in news, and an 'about face' will soon be executed by the UAW.



Tex
 
I dunno... The union probably would be willing to take on the US Military.... back to the "logic" part.



And Tox, this ain't BFHP :).
 
Let me tell you something Mr. Snow,

How many of YOUR friends have died for our Country? Now, that I have coolded down a bit. My tax dollars also are a compensation for my job. Bet that you did not know that my salary is too?

But, with that said, I CHOOSE to put my younger years to work so taht you can say what you want, even if it is not an educated post. The only thing that concerns me, is that you are a part of the United States that just not get it.......

I am not going to comment to you in this public forum anymore.





Semper Fidelis



Carlos

 
Carlos, yes, your tax dollars are just as green as mine. My point is that ANY PERSON has the right to do with their property as they wish. For ANYONE to question that right is incorrect in my book. If it were a bunch of kids training at McDonalds next door, not a word would be said. But since it's the military, suddenly the same rules don't apply? THAT'S where I take issue. We are not a police state. The military doesn't have special rights over another's property. This isn't about people who have died for this country, because they aren't parking cars anymore.



Being IN the military doesn't automatically elevate someone to a position of respect. It's what they DO that elevates someone to a position of respect. My father was in the military, Air Force, I THINK (he died when I was 9). The judge gave him the choice of jail or the military. The military straightened him out BIG TIME. Being where I am now, knowing what my last 15 years have been like, I wish I had joined the military. 4 years of someone kicking my butt and keeping me in line would have done me a world of good.



But you see, your remarks (and mine) are what's wrong with this post. It's about the UAW saying who can and cannot use their lot. It's not about WHO they are saying can or cannot use their lot. The WHO is a moot point in this situation.
 
Snow,

Why doesn't the UAW enforce this rule against their own employees???



Since they don't, it must be about the WHO.
 
Ken, I'd SUSPECT they do. But again, it's their lot. The fact that they let anyone else use their lot should be something to be thankful for, not critical because they no longer allow it.



Of course, the biggest issue at hand is that the military is told to support the sitting president, PERIOD. So, many are pro-Bush. That conflicts with the UAWs stance. Sure, a person's politics shouldn't be a reason to deny something, but it IS FAIR for them to restrict who can use their lot.
 
Well said Carlos!!!! The UAW is showing their true colors and their pettiness on this issue. They are still bitter about the elections and their inability to effect change since their views are with the minority of the country right now. I was in the reserves for about ten years and have been a police officer for over fifteen. Yes, sometimes businesses do give police officers free meals, but they do that because THEY want to so officers are in their businesses. I have NEVER expected anyone to give me a free meal and because of this practice I rarely go out to eat while on duty. I am sure there are some police officers who expect free meals and they are wrong for expecting such treatment. While I was in the reserves I was allowed twenty military leave days a year by my employer, but since I worked weekends they were usually gone by June. I did it because I wanted to serve. That is one of the reasons I went into law enforcement. The rest of the year I used vacation and comp time to attend drill. I think a lot of people don't understand the sacrifices members of both the active duty and reserves make to serve our country and give people the freedom of speech we enjoy. The UAW is trying to suppress the freedom of expression of the very people who defend their right to have it. I read here daily for the information that is passed on, but rarely post. Thanks for letting me rant.

Larry
 
Mike,

It is LEGAL for them to restrict usage, but it is not FAIR.

What if they said only white anglo-saxons can park here?

Wat
 
Unions had there time,place and need, just not sure they still do.



Carlos I agree, Son of Ret AF, and Ret AF myself.
 
Ken, IMHO, that's ALSO their right. I believe ANY employer should be allowed to hire ANYONE they want and refuse to hire anyone they want. There is no God-given right to employment, much less preferrential treatment.



I used to think I was a Republican, now I think I'm a Conservative Libertarian, but wondering if maybe I'm not just a confused anarchist :).



I take exception to "The UAW is trying to suppress the freedom of expression of the very people who defend their right to have it." When the freedom of expression is defended, there are no caveats attached. Therefore, there is also no entitlement attached.
 
I think they're being petty, silly, and babyish. Yep, it's their lot and they can do what they want. They just show what they're really made of by doing this however.



Bill
 
There was never a mention of being entitled to anything and the only caveat attached is that they have the same freedoms as everyone else. It is hypocritical of the UAW to try and deny freedom of expression when it doesn't match their beliefs.
 
Mike,

An employer does NOT have the right to hire/not hire anyone they want...that is the law and a fact of life in our country.



And there IS an entitlement to freedom of expression...in the forms of speech, press and right to assemble...I'm confused by your statement.
 
You know the sad part??? Most all GM cars are mostly foreign made anyhow...

when I was hired I had a ford and was told I had 30 days to be parking a GM car In the lot..(Salary )

I was Union for years also.If the Union had not of been there I would of been fired many times over ( of course i fired my share also)

I bet It was someone mad at the time over some silly issues...I know our local here would never do it,they have some class here...It's really hard for me to believe they are pulling this one..JR
 
Well the Unions supported our friend J. Kerry and his party,

Who despised the war effort and the troops. Your Surprised????





 
Did you ever notice that all the politicians that the unions support drive foreign cars? What a laugh. I should say the "union leaders" because a lot of the rank and file union members don't agree with where their union money is being spent.

I drive American pickups and American-made bass boats because they fill my needs as an American consumer and I couldn't give a rat's a** whether or not they are union-made.

I don't mind purchasing American-made products (I PREFER to buy American-made products) when possible because I would like to support American workers, BUT, not their socialist unions.

 
JR,...Your comment about GM cars being "mostly foreign made" is simply NOT true. 70% of our content is AMERICAN made by AMERICAN workers,......vs. Toyota which is only 30% domestic. BTW-...100% of Toyota's profits go BACK to Japan!



Just an FYI!!
 
I think we have missed something here... Nobody said the Marine Reserves were "entitled" to park in the lot. In fact, for a long period of time, apparently, they were guests on the UAW lot, regardless of the vehicle or bumper sticker. Now it would seem that the UAW will only allow a Reservist to park if he drives the right vehicle and does not visibly espouse a political view contrary to the official view held by the UAW. This says that "being neighborly and supportive of volunteer reservists" is less important than "politics". Of course not being "neighborly or supportive" of a particular group of individuals who are voluntarily ready to lay their lives on the line for the very freedom of association so vigorously demanded by the union seems downright ungrateful. Nobody says the UAW "owes" the reservists of Detroit or any veteran anything. However, it does seem to run counter to their own self interest to be ungrateful to the very people who make their existence possible.



Now, if this was causing a parking problem, space was at a premium and union members on union business were being forced to park somewhere else... Hey, then they should limit access. But, doing this out of spite... Well, I am not going to "punish" the UAW because I love my union made Ford Truck. But, I will remember that "petty politics" got in the way of good common sense.



Oh, I do believe that while the UAW might not believe they "owe" anything to these young Americans; I believe that I do. I know the risk they are asked to take... the sacrifice they are willing to make... I wake up free, everyday, I owe them a lot. Most of these ypoung kids work for a virtual poverty level wage to become a member of our Armed Forces. So its not the paycheck for most of them. Talk to them... they are not in it for the money.
 
There is deffinitely not a parking or space problem...that lot is quite large and probably 50-75% "unused" at any one time. They allowed the USMC to use it because it's a close walk from there to the recruiting offices,(almost next door to the UAW office)...vs. a LONG walk from the public parking lot to the Recruiting offices. The USMC had been using the parking lot as the UAW's "guests" for quite a while until a newly assigned "corporal" who is barely making enough $$ to survive, let alone drive a NEW car, showed up one day in a Nissan or Toyota with a Bush bumper sticker on it. One particular union member took issue with that and brought it to the UAW Leadership's attention and they are now turning it into a public relation's nightmare for themselves. They told the USMC that that particular car was NOT allowed in their lot anymore. Sooooo,...the USMC said they would NOT discriminate against any ONE Marine,..and the UAW's "new" parking policy would be applied to ALL Marines or NONE of them. So,..now the UAW looks like a bunch of commie's and the USMC proves that they are a band of Brother's and will stick together no matter what. So what if they have to walk a couple more blocks to work....the Union made themselves look like total and complete a-holes because of this and the overwhelming majority of people in the metro Detroit area agree!! I'm willing to bet that by next Monday,..the UAW will let the USMC park there again if they want....it's not worth the PR headache to hold the union line on this petty matter IMHO!!

You CAN'T preach "American Pride" and then slap the face of the very people who GAVE you that right. That's the epitomy of hypocracy...and even the UAW will recognize that,.........eventually!!



I'm done now....carry on!!

Mac

 
Just because they have a "right" to do it, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.



TJ
 
Mike...One issue on your property argument. The UAW purchased that land with the dues of it's rank-and-file menbers. Ask the average Joe at the plant, and he/she will tell you the UAW leadership is DEAD wrong on this one. It's petty and spiteful. Typical Detroit politics...



Off my soapbox.



Craig
 
My father served in Korea and my brother was an "Eagle Driver" in two theatres of combat. It doesn't earn me any privelages (other than my yearly S.A.L. card), but it saddens me to see ANY veteran treated like this. Shame on the UAW!
 
They aren't doing this to VETERANS, they are doing this to PEOPLE. That's what bothers me. The fact that the people involved are veterans is completely irrelevant. If it's not irrelevant, then everyone is NOT equal.



And Ken, you're right that the law says I can't hire/not hire anyone I wish for the business I own (which doesn't even exist), but IMHO, that's wrong (the law). How a person chooses to spend his/her money should be 100% personal choice, not subject to government interference/mandates.
 
Mac I ment Foreign Parts not workers ????
 
Unions support the democratic party even if they are not liberal,they don't know how good they got try work in the real world were your union cannot get you good benifits & high pay for no skills!
 
Snow,

Are saying that the UAW forbids foreign cars or any car with a Bush sticker on it at any of their offices or plants?



I think not...it is only this one building, and only this one group of Marines.
 
You're right Mr. Snow! They are people. People willing to die for your right to be as contrary to popular opinion as you want. Would you be willing to return that exact measure of selflessness to another complete stranger? (i.e.: Die for an idea you do not endorse.) I can't. (Too old, too fat, etc.) However, I am willing to give them the respect and the support for their efforts, no matter what vehicle they drive.
 
"...I am willing to give them the respect and the support for their efforts, no matter what vehicle they drive."



That's the way it should be. There's a large Ford plant in Louisville, and I wonder how many makes (domestic/foreign) of vehicles are on their lots? I believe the UAW has made a BIG mistake in their thinking.
 
Well, I intend this to be short, but I am sure it will evolve into a long tirade. Because the UAW had in the past allowed these reservists to park here (I'm sure that there have always been foreign cars owned by these marines) I believe they should continue the practice out of common courtesy. We need to consider that we still have a voluntary military, and due to that, they should have a certain level of respect. To not render such respect would be equal to snubbing our noses at volunteer fire fighters or police. Regardless of pay received, these professions deserve better. As far as the union is concerned, they are a neccessary evil, and I will explain the reasons. 1. Large corporations are the most common unionized jobs. Large companies employ large amounts of salaried and hourly workers. These salaried workers are not (usually) directly related to company profits and have no vested interest in the companies success. Because of this situation, favoritism, nepotism and other forms of preferential treatment would prevail in the work place. For example; a supervisor's relative would receive promotions and keep jobs that they do not merit. Another scenario might be the hourly employee who sucks up to the boss, getting the same benefits. 2. Unions have improved safety in the work place for everyone, union or not. With out unions, many accident investigations would not be conducted, or would be slanted so as not to cast a bad light on the company. If there is negligence found, it usually is reported in local news papers, and makes the non union worker more aware of safety issues in his/her job. 3. Unions help all personal incomes to increase. This is done in several ways, primarily by negotiating living wages for thier workers. The money earned and spent by union employees drives the economy just as non union pay does. The more you make, the more you spend. Another way is by peripheral jobs. A truck driver that hauls slave labor made products will not earn as much as one who hauls union made. It's only logical that a Cadillac sales person would make more than a Kia sales person. Earnings in the service sector are directly related to the value of the products that they service. If you don't beleive me, look around for a local TV/VCR repair shop. They are practically non existent these days, simply because of the low cost of new tvs and vcrs. Why pay to have a guy repair a unit when you can buy new for a paltry sum? I am a union member, and I am also a former Marine. I am still amazed at the simple minded approach that some people take (such as the UAW) when it comes to politics. Bush, who is republican is considered anti union and anti worker, yet Bush is the one who installed steel tariffs against imported steel, where Clinton would not. Bush did so despite threats of retaliation from the WTO and the European Union. Personally, I think it was low down dirty thing to do to our Marines, even though they have the right to say who uses their lot.



"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know?



Author unknown
 
Mike, it isn't that veterans deserve special treatment, it's that they gave you the right to special treatment. Your freedom of speech, your right to vote, which everyone has the right to vote for whomever they want without the union telling them who they should vote for. These are just a couple of freedoms that a lot of young men and women have died for. Now you can knock the veterans or not because someone died to give you that right. I am a Viet Nam Veteran and I have found out that I now have cancer caused by agent orange in Viet Nam over 35 yrs ago. So I guess I am still giving you your rights.

Semper Fi

God Bless our troops
 
JR,..I was refering to parts also.....70% of all GM parts are supplied and mfg'd HERE by US workers in US plants.
 
I'm a 30 year UAW member who voted for Bush and have a son in the Marine Corps. My plant and union hall don't have the no imports rule. UAW looks really bad on this and I doubt the Corps will come back even if they apologize. I wouldn't. I have many coworkers who are vets or have sons and daughters in harm's way and I can guarantee you they don't back this. They might back the no imports rule but not evicting the Marines over it.

Here's something I have wondered about: The UAW is busting their butts trying to organize an import plant, we have a huge Nissan plant nearby and the union never quits trying to organize them, so, when the UAW does finally organize a plant will it then be OK to drive imports or just UAW made imports? Hutch
 
Call them up and tell them what you think.I would bet the phones are shut down with all the complaints.



UAW

Solidarity House

8000 East Jefferson Avenue

Detroit, Michigan 48214



or call us at: (313) 926-5000

 
I try and stay out of these type of conversations but some times I can't. First of all let me say again this is the best web site any where. I don't know of any place else this could go on this polite. Now the meat. It's discimination if not applied to all who use the lot. If I had a parking lot here in Street Md and applied these rule I would be in court real soon. It's not about what you own or how you got it. It's about applying the rules across the board. I can by law not let you park your honda on my lot as long as I don't allow any hondas on the lot. But I can not ban you honda because the bumper sticker. Somebody goofed when they said that and I hope it cost them there job. As a fomer member of the uaaaw, yes it is the uaaaw, I saw enough politics there to know hilary could get elected there. The other reason I think this is just some dumb *** talking loud. Who is the biggest customer of there products? If the U.S goverment wanted to they could put the uaaaw out of business. Think about it

BF

Toxic, I understood your first reply and I don't think tx is out of range either...lol...it's a joke...
 
Hey... I'll bet if push came to shove and the UAW really did "throw down" on the Corps... Well, I'll bet the UAW would lose....LOL Maybe they ought to think about picking their fights...
 
I sent an e-mail to the Marine Reserve Unit and offered them free rides from the parking area to their headquarters....I will donate a couple of weekends if they need it.
 
Unions a shooting themselves in the foot with actions like this.

They by nature are selfserving. The burdens they have put on companies = outsourcing. why do you think 30% are made accross the borders. Sad to say but the union has served its purpose but times are changing.

Sure large companies will take advantage of employees that will always be a problem . But the day of your kids working for the big three and earning a great living are over.
 
I want to say a whole lot MORE on this subject, but I don't want to end up like Jimmy Hoffa...who disappeared less than 10 miles from where I'm sitting!!!
 
Ken,

Thought he lived next door!!



BTW I agree. I was flaming butt mad when I read that at work, that is what I get for playing hookey during lunch. Strikes a bit too close to home I guess. BUT, I am clamming up :)



 
DON'T clam up.....if everyone clam's up, it will just go away silently into the night.....
 
Dude,

That is ONE thing you do not have to worry about.



but, I was about to be very rude/vulgar and would have been banned. as a matter of fact, my fingers were steaming :)



My objectivity is lacking for this one topic and I am having problems not being to talk civilly. So, better to be quiet, then banned. Because I KNOW if I was the mod and read waht I was thinking I would have banned me :)
 
My entire family worked for GM. My grandpa, dad, cousin, aunts and uncles. In the seventies I would hear them talk a little about this type of stuff. This thinking is way outdated. By the way..........General Motors has a joint venture with Toyota in California called NUMMI (New United Motor Manufacturing Incorporated). I wonder how many GM union members even know things like this. If it wasnt for the import cars arriving over here in the US in the 70's and 80's, I dont think the quality of the American automobile would be where it is at today. The competition has made for the consumer a better quality vehicle. I bet a lot of the people at GM that bad mouth imports own a lot of imported items themselves, like electronics, fishing equipment and a lot of other things. I have nothing but kudos for the men and woman of our armed forces. They put their lives on the lines so we can go to our jobs everyday and enjoy our hobbies. They should be treated with respect, just like the commercial during the superbowl showing troops arriving back at the airport after returning from assignment. All the people in the airport stopped what they were doing and started clapping and gave them a standing ovation. That commercial was good. Treat people the way you want to be treated!
 
Memo to the UAW:

The best way to keep a foreign-made car out of any parking lot in the USA is to build a better american car...
 
How do they identify a Toyota, Honda, Nissan or Mazda which may have been built in the U.S. Under the UAW rules, these would be allowed to park in the UAW lot.



If I was the CO of that unit I would have the motor pool move all the Hummers to the UAW lot, let them drip oil all over the UAW asphalt, and allow my troops to park in the now vacant motor pool compound.



Problem solved



 
Ken that was well put. If anyone has ever seen an episode of the Sopranos knows all about this. If you haven't you can rent the first 4 seasons from Blockbuster. They use the unions pretty much in all the episodes as fronts. And this really happens in real life. Just let me say I have family that knows some family up north, they are well connected.



Donnie
 
I don't understand how they can say they support the troops

then turn around and slap them in the face. This just reinforces my negetive opinion of the unions.It doesn't do much for my negetive opinion of the lunitic fring left eather.
 
OK, I just came out of my drug enduced coma (perscribed) thanks to this post in part. So I need to at least comment.

Some how I find it hard to believe that out of all the UAW members none of them are MARINES ! Bitting their fists on this one. Their families as one reason.Though push came to shove still stand and be counted.





These people call themselves democrapes when what they really are is Socialists. We support you as long as you agree with us and everything we say!



I've worked in union shops before .I paid my dues and kept my mouth shut! That doesn't mean I agreed with any of it ,I was just trying to pay the bills.



Mark m2c
 

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